10-31-97

AMERICAN MUSIC: THE VIOLENT FEMMES MAILING LIST currently run by Pat. Wary ************************************************************************** TOUR DATES: (NEW DATES MARKED WITH A **) October 31-Sports Hall at Coimbra University, Coimbra, PORTUGAL (O) November 8-House of Blues, Lake Buena Vista, FL (T,O,P) November 9-Jannus Landing, St. Petersburg, FL (T,P) November 10-Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL (O,P,T) November 11-Tulane University, New Orleans, LA (O,P) November 13-U of ILL @ Champaign-Urbana, IL NOTA BENE: 'O' stands for the Official homepage 'P' stands for Pollstar 'T' stands for Ticketmaster 'I' stands for Insider Info All other references are subscribers ************************************************************************** The Quote Of The Day: 'Cause there's no tomorrow like today and there's no today like tomorrow -From Lack of Knowledge send your VF quotes to ************************************************************************** WHO/WHERE Going to a VF concert? Want to know if anyone else on the list also going? Check here first! St. Petersburg ---------------- Boca Raton ---------------- New Orleans ---------------- Champaign-Urbana ---------------- ************************************************************************** TRADE, SELL OR BUY When your wishes are fulfilled, please email to have your name removed from this section. In the interest of space, I will remove each name after it has been up for two weeks. If you wish to resubmit it at that point, please do so. ------------------ would like the following: Any good Brian Ritchie CD's, any good bootlegs with hopefully unrecorded music on it... or covers, American Music, Singles: Do you Really want to Hurt Me?, I held her in my Arms, Tonight, Used to Be, plus anything else i may be unaware exists, CD's only please. As trade, Alden offers a bootleg of this summer's Waukesha show, good quality. ------------------- Would like boots of the following shows: 9/95 Maritime Days 1/96 Winterfest, Icehouse (first show) 7/4/96 Summerfest, Marcus Amphitheatre 8/97 Waukesha County Fair Plus, I know there was a guy with a video camera at the Winterfest show. ----------------------- Wanted: a copy of Film Noir: I have a good quality '89 show at the Metro in Chicago to offer in trade...or if anyone else is interested, i could go for some more femmes material! ------------------ Does anyone have any boots from one of those shows that brian ritchie has taken part in ??? i don't think he played out to support his albums..? well anyway an outside of the femmes brian ritchie musical exhibition would be just peachy to feed my ears and i have some femmes stuff to trade for it. (i cannot communicate today ughh silly fingers) ------------------- I would love to buy a violent femmes poster, not the new crappy posters but an old one, It does not have to be super old but before New Times. I will also offer free copies of "The Mercy Seat" to all who ask. ------------------ I'm new to this list and I joined it after I saw the Femmes at the Lisle gig in IL. I'm wondering if anyone on the list was there and recorded the concert. If so, please contact me privately. I would like to arrange a sale. ------------------------ I would like to buy a copy of "The Blind Leading The Naked" either on tape or CD from someone who lives in England (because that is where I live, too). Sadly I have nothing to offer in return except cold, hard cash. Alternatively, does anyone know of a record shop which is likely to be able to get it for me. All the ones I have tried say that it is no longer available. ------------------- I currently have 4 Femmes boots with more on the way. Here is the list of them: 8/1/83 New Orleans, LA 1/20/85 Berkeley, CA 9/27/91 Seattle, WA "Film Noir" I'm looking for pretty much any Femmes live stuff but especially the show from 9/16/97 at the Palace in Hollywood, CA, because I was there and it was by FAR the BEST show I have ever been fortunate enough to witness. ---------------------- I have about 50 Replacements and Paul Westerberg shows (and one Jonathan Richman show from about 2 weeks ago!), but I don't have any by the Violent Femmes. I'm looking to trade for any femmes shows. If no one is interested in the mats or Jonathan or Big Star or the pixies, I will gladly trade you two blank tapes for every show. I live in Washington state, and it's rare that we get the femmes to play up here. ************************************************************************** ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS LETTER SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO ************************************************************************** WEB PAGES: Official: http://www.vfemmes.com Unofficial: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mmerry2/femmes.html Guitar: http://www.bucknell.edu/~wtorres/violent_femmes/ TAB DIGEST: The tab digest is give and take; remember to share what you have. ************************************************************************** In Today's Issue: Boca Raton Question The London Show RE: Top 5 Faves..Etc. RE: Top 5 Faves..Musical Tastes RE: Musical Tastes The VF and the Military Various and Sundry Where Do They Fit? Do We Fit? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Boca Raton Question ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on the boca raton show. can you check if goldfinger is still opening up . i dont think they are. at least ticketmaster doesnt say so - -Pat. Says: You're right. Now it says 'with very special guests', and a search for Goldfinger shows up nothing at that date. Pollstar also lists no Goldfinger shows on Nov. 10, but they are touring FL around that time. So, I can't answer your question for you. Anyone out there at FAU now? If so, please find out for us. Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The London Show ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've just got back from seeing the Femmes at the Forum. It's the first time I've seen them live and they were superb (of course!). They looked a lot better in the flesh than on the Sabrina episode. Both Gordan & Brian had a story to tell. Apparently Brian's ancestors come from Scotland & despite several visits to the UK he has never been to Glasgow. They came over early so he could visit. He sat by Loch Ness to look for the Monster. A head on a long neck with one eye came up from under the water, looked straight at him and said "Dance Motherfucker Dance" ......... (nice intro.) Gordan's story was that he got shit on by a bird at Hyde Park! Bye Simon. - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Top 5 Faves..Etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know you've all been waiting for this... My 5 favorite songs![trumpet fanfare]: 1.Black Girls -VF 2.Hey -Pixies 3.tourette's -Nirvana (or 'Lounge Act,' by the same) 4.Alec Eiffel -Pixies 5.Seasons of Wither -Aerosmith About any song from any of these bands makes me wet. Some others whose songs have the same effect: The Beatles, The Cure, Tori Amos, The Breeders, Guided By Voices, Bryson and the Brysons, Jimi Hendrix, Dinosaur Jr., Led Zeppelin, Soundgarden, The Four Brysons, Black Sabbath, The Screaming Trees, Iron Bryson, Brysonica, Leadbelly, Mozart, Beethoven, Verdi, MC 900 ft. Bryson, etc... I like to think it's eclectic. Bryson P.S. Are there any French people on this list that can tell me the equivalent French phrases for "That sucks" and "I don't care?" I've always wanted to know but my French teachers have always refused to tell me. Please spare the list this information and mail me privately. Merci. mailto: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Top 5 Faves..Musical Tastes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hey hey! i'm fianlly going to a Femmes concert ( at FAU, Boca Raton). i didn't think i'd live to see the day. I'm not fataly ill, just pessimistic. In any case here are my favorite five: Kiss off -Violent Femmes Girlfriend in a coma- Smits Sidewinder sleeps tonight - REM Hey you -Pink Floyd Creep-radiohead Five favorite bands are: Violent femmes( surpsised?) REM The Smiths Mano Negra ( French/Spanish ska-punk band) Aquarium ( Russian rock band i grew up listening to) well that's all for now - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Musical Tastes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I never thought I would enjoy reading so many list of five or more items in my life! Its so cool to know everybody's favorite bands and songs. Our singular link, the VF, makes these list interesting. If I was reading the same sort of lists from groups I would have no interest in, say "People With Red Hair's Top Five Bands" I just couldn't care. Of course we also find that other people's taste can be quite close to our own. Then again they can be quite far. Kurt Vonnegut speaks quite highly of this sort of thing, the "Extended Family/Social Unit" to label it. And I now understand why! Wow, this is such a soul opening moment. Gasp! Of course now I'm wondering if I'm the only one who feels this way and I'm beginning to have second thoughts on sending this email. Hi Ho, oh well... Anyway, here's my fab five groups : Violent Femmes Pink Floyd Darkest Of The Hillside Thickets (Vancouver) REM Carl Orff My hat's off to anyone and everyone who has named only five songs. My brain hurt just contemplating such an act. A week or so ago someone called for our help about a roomate who didn't like the VF and I emailed some advice. It didn't help; anybody else send him anything, anybody else receive email back? Someone's not telling the whole truth about the situation... -Erik ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The VF and the Military ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey. I'm not sure if any of you know this or not but it's worth a shot. First, if you noticed the quote of the day for Oct 29, it had in it "I'm an anti-militarist" Now, assuming he's speaking from his (his meaning Gordon's) view point, one would assume that means he's against the Military. Anyone know if this is correct or not? Second thing. I'm enlisting in the Air Force in December and will be shipped out in March ..as soon as I'm done with school (no, I do not want anyone mailing me and telling me it's stupid..if you want to know why..mail me, I'll explain in detail). So, if any of you are formerly or currenty enlisted in any of the 5 branches, do you know if they let you bring your cd players and things with you to boot camp or to tech training or anything like that? I'm not sure how well I can stay sane without my dosage of Femmes to kick me off in the morn. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Various and Sundry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ if i was asked to classify the femmes i'd probably look at the person, start talking really fast, and hope they got confused. ok so the other night i was like sitting on the couch thinking and i got this thought ...i think that they might be giants could do justice to the song please do not go... i might be like losing my mind, but i kind of have it going through my head right now and it sounds pretty cool....whatever, im done now i guess. -beky p.s.-i was dyeing my friends hair turquoise today, and we didnt have any gloves, and i've scrubbed my hands a couple times with bleach but they're still rather turquoise...i don't suppose anyone would happen to know how i would go about getting my hands to be flesh colored again would they? my parents will flip if they see my hands turquoise and they're getting slightly suspicious as to why im wearing my gloves. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where Do They Fit? Do We Fit? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm going to have to agree with Pat on the issue of classifying VF. If they must have a label, the only label that "fits" is Punk. OK I've said it! Now I want to post something that's been brewing for a while. I don't respect a few of the "older" (I prefer the term "more mature" but it simply doesn't apply to all) posters to this list because of their disdain for our under 21 friends. Truth is, most of the friends I had when I was your age don't even know VF is still together - much less actively search out new music or attend concerts. If it weren't for new interest, I doubt VF could or would tour so much and then I wouldn't get to enjoy my favorite band! So I don't care if you like only 10 seconds of one song on one album or even just the way Gordon parts his hair - it's all a Femmes thang! OK - that said guys - back to the "punk" label. The first time I heard VF (a bootleg of a live performance - circa 84/85) I had no idea music like that existed - then I found a few others like The Cult, Lone Justice, B-52's, The Cure, REM etc. No radio station I'd ever heard played music like that. The music was so personal- poetic, angry, fun, intellectual, and in VF's case (which is probably my favorite thang), rockin' but strangely not van-halen electric. No promo racks at the Record Bar - no line of T-shirts either - just Music. There is a book out there called the "Blank Generation" and I kind of like that description of the late 70's early 80's. I couldn't relate to Duran Duran, Pat Benetar, Madonna or for that matter Reagonomics but I could relate to punk music. "Punk" and "Alternative" weren't even widely used terms until the mid 80's and they weren't used as compliments even then! IMHO originally the term "punk" represented the genre of music and artists not a particular type of beat, melody, or lyric. But as all things do - the music evolved. I would like to think the evolution started because other people related to the music, as I did, and shared it with friends (the roots of modern indie rock?) but I don't really know exactly what caused the "alternative" explosion. I've read that Cobain felt reponsible for breaking it open and that he had realized , too late, that major label involvement would corrupt the movement. I hope that when he covered Bowie's man who sold the world he wasn't trying to say he felt he was the man who sold 'out' the world. Whatever the cause, some great bands and great music became more available to the world AND Columbia House got to add a new category to it's how we can suck you dry but make you think it's a good deal catolog! BUT over the last year or two "alternative" has become -as I so eloquently heard from a new Superdrag song recently a "Bankrupt Vibration." (I believe the chorus was - "your alternative station's a Bankrupt Vibration a fucking illusion of an alternative nation). So my point is, yes I do have one :), when I use the term "punk" to describe VF I define it in the original "genre" sense of the word - you may only use the term in the "Green Day" sense. I may call it Slam Dancing - you may call it moshing. I like the orignal "alternative" - you may think Stefani and Gavin Rule. For me it isn't a judgment - young/old, smart/dumb - just a different reference point! Deana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~