11-07-97

AMERICAN MUSIC: THE VIOLENT FEMMES MAILING LIST currently run by Pat. Wary ************************************************************************** TOUR DATES: (NEW DATES MARKED WITH A **) November 8-House of Blues, Lake Buena Vista, FL (T,O,P) November 9-Jannus Landing, St. Petersburg, FL (T,P) November 10-Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL (O,P,T) November 11-McAllister Auditorium,Tulane University,New Orleans,LA (O,P) November 13-Foellinger Auditorium,U of ILL/Urbana, IL (mg-black,P,O) November 16-Tripp Athletic Center,UMASS/Dartmouth, N. Dartmouth, MA (P,O) NOTA BENE: 'O' stands for the Official homepage 'P' stands for Pollstar 'T' stands for Ticketmaster 'I' stands for Insider Info All other references are subscribers ************************************************************************** The Quote Of The Day: It's of utmost importance We're dealing with volatile substance. -From Never Tell (I'm tutoring a girl in chemistry, and this keeps going through my head.) send your VF quotes to ************************************************************************** WHO/WHERE Going to a VF concert? Want to know if anyone else on the list also going? Check here first! Lake Buena Vista, FL -------------------- St. Petersburg -------------------- Boca Raton -------------------- New Orleans -------------------- Champaign-Urbana -------------------- ************************************************************************** TRADE, SELL OR BUY When your wishes are fulfilled, please email to have your name removed from this section. In the interest of space, I will remove each name after it has been up for two weeks. If you wish to resubmit it at that point, please do so. ------------------ would like the following: Any good Brian Ritchie CD's, any good bootlegs with hopefully unrecorded music on it... or covers, American Music, Singles: Do you Really want to Hurt Me?, I held her in my Arms, Tonight, Used to Be, plus anything else i may be unaware exists, CD's only please. As trade, Alden offers a bootleg of this summer's Waukesha show, good quality. ------------------- Would like boots of the following shows: 9/95 Maritime Days 1/96 Winterfest, Icehouse (first show) 7/4/96 Summerfest, Marcus Amphitheatre 8/97 Waukesha County Fair Plus, I know there was a guy with a video camera at the Winterfest show. ----------------------- Wanted: a copy of Film Noir: I have a good quality '89 show at the Metro in Chicago to offer in trade...or if anyone else is interested, i could go for some more femmes material! ------------------ Does anyone have any boots from one of those shows that brian ritchie has taken part in ??? i don't think he played out to support his albums..? well anyway an outside of the femmes brian ritchie musical exhibition would be just peachy to feed my ears and i have some femmes stuff to trade for it. (i cannot communicate today ughh silly fingers) ---- i've been searchin' highhhhh and i've been searchin' lowww but i still cannot find a boot of the november 14th 1996 university of maine orono showwwww...and i don't know what to dooouuuoooo!!!!! can somebody help me....??? with lots of lovey, kyle ------------------- I would love to buy a violent femmes poster, not the new crappy posters but an old one, It does not have to be super old but before New Times. I will also offer free copies of "The Mercy Seat" to all who ask. ------------------ I'm new to this list and I joined it after I saw the Femmes at the Lisle gig in IL. I'm wondering if anyone on the list was there and recorded the concert. If so, please contact me privately. I would like to arrange a sale. ------------------- I currently have 4 Femmes boots with more on the way. Here is the list of them: 8/1/83 New Orleans, LA 1/20/85 Berkeley, CA 9/27/91 Seattle, WA "Film Noir" I'm looking for pretty much any Femmes live stuff but especially the show from 9/16/97 at the Palace in Hollywood, CA, because I was there and it was by FAR the BEST show I have ever been fortunate enough to witness. ---------------------- I have about 50 Replacements and Paul Westerberg shows (and one Jonathan Richman show from about 2 weeks ago!), but I don't have any by the Violent Femmes. I'm looking to trade for any femmes shows. If no one is interested in the mats or Jonathan or Big Star or the pixies, I will gladly trade you two blank tapes for every show. I live in Washington state, and it's rare that we get the femmes to play up here. ----------------- I dont have any bootlegs by the Violent Femmes,but I know some of you people out there do,and I was wondering if you would be interested in trading me for something.I have 3 Nirvana boots,1 Sonic Youth,1 Sex Pistols,2 Rolling Stones,and a few others I cant think of.If you are interested in trading me any of these for a Violent Femmes bootleg,or one by any band,please e-mail me.Oh yeah,I also have a Who boot. -------------------- I am looking for a copy of the show they did at Carrol College here in Wisconsin back towards the end of 96... I was at the show, and even moreso, I was the fan that requested "See My Ships". They played it, for what they said was the first time ever live, and they did it beautifully. I can now die happy. The thing is, the bootleg I tried to make didn't work (damn batteries...) and now all I have is the memory. I don't have anything to trade really, but I do have money, and a decent copy of Tom Waits singing a Jack Kerouac song at the Allen Ginsberg Memorial show earlier this year.... ************************************************************************** ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS LETTER SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO ************************************************************************** WEB PAGES: Official: http://www.vfemmes.com Unofficial: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mmerry2/femmes.html Guitar: http://www.bucknell.edu/~wtorres/violent_femmes/ TAB DIGEST: The tab digest is give and take; remember to share what you have. ************************************************************************** In Today's Issue: UMASS Show Roll Call RE: VF in DC on NYD..Top Five Faves RE: Classify the Vf..Top 5 Faves RE: Classify the VF..Top 5 Faves RE: Classify the VF RE: Concert Volume ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ UMASS Show ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here's what I've found out about the UMASS show: <> You can contact the University Box Office by calling 508-999-8598. I had also asked for ticket prices and opening band, but as you can see, he neglected to give me that info. Maybe he didn't know. At any rate, if anyone calls the UBO, and finds out any more, please email me so I can tell everyone else on the list who might want to go to this show. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Roll Call ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ how many people are on this list? see ya laura -Pat. Says: As of today, we have 856 subscribers worldwide. The number usually ranges between 850 and 900. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: VF in DC on NYD..Top Five Faves ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My parents wouldn't let me go to the new years show last year, so can I say I just turned absolutely ecstatic when I heard they were coming this year. When will tickets go on sale??? I can't wait, oh, the excitement oozing. My favorite five songs right now, in the order they popped into my head: Son of a Gun- Nirvana (cover of the Vaselines) 36-24-36- VF I Held Her in My Arms- VF Scooby Snacks- Fun Lovin' Criminals Til My Head Falls Off- They Might Be Giants Marjorie :-) -Pat. Says: If you're talking about a New Year's Show in DC, that's just wishful thinking at this point. There is no DC show listed at this time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Classify the VF..Top 5 Faves ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh boy, where to begin? I am not sure quite how I should lump this all together, but I only have a few minutes to write this so: Femmes Classification: I didn't see this mentioned anywhere yet in the discussion, so I will say it... I first heard the Femmes way back in about 84, when I got my hands on a recording of their sold-out Carnegie Hall show, which incedentally ROCKED. And during that show, Gordon himself made an attempt to label their sound, which has stuck with me to this day. He said they were a "semi-acoustic folk punk band". I think that about sums it up. Top 5: Um, I tried to pull off just 5, but failed miserably at around 23. However, for Emily's benefit, I can say that Jane's Addiction was in the list about 3 times, as were the Femmes. Yrs Truly, J Davis... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Classify the Vf..Top 5 Faves ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First, I want to say I agree with many of you out there that the Violent Femmes are unique and do not fit into any specific style of music. When someome asks me what type of group they are, I say they are "True Alternative" They were and are "alternative" (Not hard rock punk or whatever else you call Green Day or Oasis or etc.) I enjoy most types of music, but have become a big fan of the Femmes greatly because of the fact they are unique and have a great variety of songs. But I don't put much stock in classifying music. You should like a group because of what they produce and perform. And the long awaited Top 5 List. I won't give a Top Five list for favorite bands since there are so many that I like. But here are my all time favorite songs that I think everyone should listen to at least once. 1. Don't Start Me On The Liquor - Violent Femmes 2. Mexicali Blues - Greatful Dead (Would like to see the VF cover this) 3. Come As You Are - Nirvana 4. Friends - Led Zeppelin 5. Satan's Bed - Pearl Jam (Even though I hate Eddie Vedder) Remember, only my opinion. (Sorry if there are any typo's) Mike - Ft. Lauderdale ps: If you are a fan of the Femmes because of the instruments, I highly recommend The Squirrel Nut Zippers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Classify the VF ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Someone asked Mike Gordon of Phish how he classifies Phish's sound, which is all over the board, from Latin to hardcore to jazz to funk to straight out rock and all places in between. He said, "We play authentic Jamaican roots reggae." I don't quite agree with the people who say the Femmes are not classifiable and they're they own totally distinct sound- they're not. But they're not MUCH like anybody else. Someone a while back mention they were like "acoustic punk"- I'll buy that, with a little R & B and soul thrown into the mix. If anyone can give me a BETTER answer, I'd sure like to hear it. Unlike Phish or countless other bands, all Femmes songs are in a vaguely similar vein, but they unlike crappy rock bands have the ability to make something sound new, unheard, innovative. You know? Trying to classify them is kind of pointless, anyway- what does it matter? -- Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Concert Volume ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 97-10-27 09:27:15 EST, you write: << But I often prefer the CD to a live performance, just 'coz they make so much noise I can't even hear them (does that make sense?). >> Dino Jr is famous for being painfully loud. This is not a concert norm tho. If you see Dino again take good earplugs. The first time I saw them I didn't have them, was upfront, and suffered hearing loss. For real. I ended up leaving early (thank god) because it was so painful. The next three times I had earplugs and not only did it not hurt, I could HEAR the show under the distortion and it rocked. The femmes are high volume but not painful and certainly not distorted. Go in confidence. I'm so glad they put the Boca show in, I was very bummed about the Ft Laud cancellation. Liz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~