11-07-97 pt 2

AMERICAN MUSIC: THE VIOLENT FEMMES MAILING LIST currently run by Pat. Wary ************************************************************************** In Today's Issue: RE: Opening Bands RE: Opening Bands RE: Milwaukee Show RE: Opening Bands..Victor VS. Guy Again RE: Fake Fans RE: Fake Fans RE: Fake Fans RE: Fake Fans RE: Fake Fans Who Influenced the VF? Mercy Seat Thanks..Machine..Hallowed Ground Film Noir VF and Goldfinger ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Opening Bands ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On the subject of opening bands. . . way back in the day, Femmes played a September show at the Tower theater in Philly. Their opening band (if I'm not mixing up shows) was Possum Dixon. They were a 'heard of' band with, like 2 cool songs (as far as I can remember -- no offense to Possum Dixon fans, or members for that matter). I remember thinking that they sucked so bad. One thing about the Femmes, their opening bands couldn't get much worse. Who's in charge of picking, huh? One could possibly chalk such a harsh statement up to incessant anxious frustration, having to listen to a cheesy band for an hour after waiting in line for three, and anticipating at least one more for Femmes tuning before finally seeing your most favorite band in the whole wide world get on stage. Jen Brown, are you still around???????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Opening Bands ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 03:08 PM 11/3/97 -0500, you wrote: In Oneonta I saw Phil Cody Scranton Angry Salad (HORRIBLE!!!) Colgate U Dainelle's Mouth (BAD, but not as bad as Angry Salad) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Milwaukee Show ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ twice i have seen mentions of the fourth of july show in milwaukee and i must comment that it was an awesome show...well the femmes part of it. i think having the goo goo dolls open for them was a big mistake. the goo goo dolls kept playing all of this really obscure music and by then end of their really really long set, half of the audience was either sitting down or out getting refreshments. my friend and i were so bored we ended up walking around and paying some kid a quarter to juggle for us...that's pretty bored. jaci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Opening Bands..Victor VS. Guy Again ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > for some reason i can't remember many ....probably because they are all > el' stinko...i saw buffalo tom open for them in maine....they blow big > time.. > what the hell are you saying? you just giving your biased opinion without any backup what so ever. thats bullshit. buffalo tom is one of the greatest trio bands out there, if you actually listened to them without biasedness maybe you would see what the hell you are saying. their lyrics are unsurpassed by many many bands in what they express and bill janovich's voice has got as much style as gordy's. like the femmes, they play relatively simple music with simple arrangements, chord progressions, etc. and they do it like no other. as for tom maginis's drumming, maybe your are misunderstanding his style. it is strait forward and basic for a reason. his style integrates into to buff's style harmoniously and does a damn good job even if he isn't the most technical. victor delorenzo had the most simple set up and simple style yet no one could do it like him buffalo tom and the femmes are like no other and one of the reasons is where their talent is: making simple music that kicks arss and speaks to you. i got no problem what so ever if you say your tastes don't agree with buffalo tom's style or the femmes for that matter. but next time you bust on an incredible band, have at least half an idea of what the hell you're talking about and why you're saying what you're saying. i ain't intending to offend but look at what you's is trying to say, yo. as for the vic/guy deal: guy ain't a bad drum but victor can pretty much wipe his ass with guy as a femmes for drummer. victor is can and never will be replaced within the femmes and the femmes aren't the same without him. i ain't busting on guy, he is good and in an other situation he would great. if i am not mistaken he was formally the drummer for the bodeans. i'm not familiar with their music but i'm sure he kicked some arss. as the current femmes drummer, he is just a regular old drummer and that is all he will ever be. not that there is anything wrong with that he just can't do for the femmes what vic did. vic's style with the femmes is legendary and unsurpassed. he did more with a snare and brushes than anyone could, at the very least with the femmes. his energy and eclectic style combined with gordy's and brian's to make them one of the best band's ever. that that guy sucks, don't get me wrong, but i miss victor. late, jeff -Pat. Says: Future discussions concerning Buffalo Tom should be conducted privately, outside of this letter. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Fake Fans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oops, this one runs a little long everyone.....but worth it IMHO I agree that part of what makes the Violent Femmes great is that they are not Pearl Jam. (although the Femmes outsold Pearl Jam at the Marcus Ampitheatre). However, if you think back to where you first heard that bass, beat, and voice of the Violent Femmes it just may surprise you. I remember my first Violent Femmes song. Unlike most people, it was not Blister in the Sun but Add It Up. I had a friend that owned the album. This guy, Mark, never played anything but Blister, Add It Up, and Kiss Off. We were all outside our hut, we were on Boys Scout Camp Staff, when he put in add it up. All my friends thought it was "so cool" what "the singer" was refering to. I am not going to say that in my immaturity I did not like that. So as all my friends did, I rushed out and bought the album. However, instead of playing one song (add it up) over and over I listened to the entire album. And then came a game called Magic: the Gathering. My friend and I played this all night, with the VF playing on "repeat all"..... That friend is now my best friend. We go on road trips to see the Violent Femmes. The point I am making is that first time you heard a VF song, you probably did not get the deep down understanding of each track. Today, I am not sure I understand the entire album. But I do relate it to my life struggles and accomplishments. I have very few friends, but those friends are very close friends. I have hooked each of them on the Violent Femmes. Each of them understand in their own unique way. This is what the Violent Femmes mean to me. Sorry to spill all this out on our e-mail accounts. MBlack ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Fake Fans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The other day in English class i had a similar thought and i realized that one of the reasons i love the Femmes so very very much is the aforementioned reason; that they have seen the system, what it stands for, and chosen to disregard it. When i have mentioned the Femmes at my school in the past, most people admit that they haven't heard much of them or have never even heard of them. This, as trivial as it may seem, makes me quite happy. The fact that the Violent Femmes do not indulge in superfluous drug use, or condone many other destructive tendencies, as well as continuing to be themselves, invariably heightens my respect for them to unknown levels. And in the immortal words of Gordon Gano: *The Violent Femmes...they bring all their equipment on the bus...AND YOU CAN'T FUCK WITH THE VIOLENT FEMMES----YOU CANNOT FUCK WITH THIS BAND!* i couldn't have said it better myself. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Fake Fans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To the person who says that fake fans say that B.I.T.S., add it up, and kiss off are there favorite songs, i can give you a few reasons why. they are the only femmes songs played on the radio. the more you hear a song the more you like it (or get sick of it if its a bad song). i dont know about you but the first song on almost every cd i own is one of my favs on the cd cuz i hear it the most. sometimes you are gone before you hear the last song on the cd, but you always hear the first so you like it more. just thought i would put in my word. -ReBEccA* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Fake Fans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree with almost everything you say about the femmes and their fans, but disagree with saying that they are all secular. I am a conservative, but love the femmes. I disagree with some of the music and believe that Gordon would not want everyone to follow all of it too. Gordan Gano is the talant behind the femmes, the rest may be set aside. Theirs is a larger segment of fans than you see out there. Remember they are from Milwaukee an old town, a neighbor of mine, known for reality, the girl on the moon, miller, Happy Days. They are not the anti Christ!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Fake Fans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << Just because something has become popular doesn't mean you have to stop liking it. I understand where you're coming from, but IMHO to be a true nonconformist you have to stop caring so much about whether other people think you're conforming just because you do one thing which has suddenly become 'the thing to do'. There'll be enough of the other things you do to assure people you're weird ;=) Just keep doing what you do, and liking what you like, and if others do and like the same, what of it? >> At the ripe old age of 13, a bunch of my friends and I had to deal with these so-called "nonconformists" who annoyed the hell out of us. We asked one if he would still be "freaky" if he went to a school full of freaks. He said, "No, I'd be a prep, just so I'd stand out." This led to the coining of a term for people who do the different things just because they're different, and if those things become popular, they find another. That term is Conforming to Nonconformity [(c) Oma Turanchick]. Haven't we already been through all this real fan vs. poser fan shit already? If someone likes the femmes, why does it matter what songs they like? Okay, onto a niftier topic: Allo, Pat, je ne savais pas que vous savez parler francais! Qui parle francais qui recoit ce lettre? :-) Love, Claire -Pat. Says: Melancon parle francais, et je suppose qu'il y a beaucoup d'autres. Plusieurs ici parlent une langue autrement que l'anglais. Je parle francais comme une Americaine, et j'ai oublie' trop.... :-( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who Influenced the VF? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi! I have a question for all of you knowledeable Femmes fans out there: What bands and musicians do members of the Violent Femmes list as major influences on their music? What musicians/bands inspired them to create music? catherine ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mercy Seat Thanks..Machine..Hallowed Ground ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi, first of all I really want to say thank you to Travis for the copy of Mercy Seat! I really appreciate it! Secondly, I finally broke down and bought the Machine single, and wonder what some of you think of it. It is very "different", in my opinion, but it's Femmes, so you gotta love it.I was also wonder what your thoughts are on Hallowed Ground. I have been completely addicted to it lately... Listening to "I hear the Rain" through headphones, is an amazing experience... Your "Good Friend", Alyshea ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Film Noir ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is this "Film Noir" you guys keep mentioning? -Pat. Says: Film Noir is a German boot, released sometime around 1984? I'm still trying to find it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ VF and Goldfinger ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << goldfinger was playing. When i was leaving , i saw them. I asked them if they were opening for the Violent Femmes and they said "yeah". >> If anyone goes to this show, you are one of the luckiest people alive. I envy you with my entire life!! If you can, make a boot. While you're at it, please go tell John Feldman (lead of Goldfinger) that I want to marry him. They're an excellent band in concert (and on cd) and coupled with Violent Femmes, I think I'd be in ultimate ecstacy...I'm soooo jealous! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~