10-29-97

AMERICAN MUSIC: THE VIOLENT FEMMES MAILING LIST currently run by Pat. Wary ************************************************************************** TOUR DATES: (NEW DATES MARKED WITH A **) October 29-The Forum, London, ENGLAND (O) October 31-Sports Hall at Coimbra University, Coimbra, PORTUGAL (O) November 8-House of Blues, Lake Buena Vista, FL (T,O,P) November 9-Jannus Landing, St. Petersburg, FL (T,P) November 10-Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL (O,P,T) (With Goldfinger, according to T) November 11-Tulane University, New Orleans, LA (O,P) **November 13-U of ILL @ Champaign-Urbana, IL** (Submitted by ) NOTA BENE: 'O' stands for the Official homepage 'P' stands for Pollstar 'T' stands for Ticketmaster 'I' stands for Insider Info All other references are subscribers ************************************************************************** The Quote Of The Day: I am a moralist An anit-militarist I am against duels I cannot stand seeing A fly in rage -From Agamemnon send your VF quotes to ************************************************************************** WHO/WHERE Going to a VF concert? Want to know if anyone else on the list also going? Check here first! St. Petersburg ---------------- Boca Raton ---------------- New Orleans ---------------- Champaign-Urbana ---------------- ************************************************************************** TRADE, SELL OR BUY When your wishes are fulfilled, please email to have your name removed from this section. In the interest of space, I will remove each name after it has been up for two weeks. If you wish to resubmit it at that point, please do so. ------------------ would like the following: Any good Brian Ritchie CD's, any good bootlegs with hopefully unrecorded music on it... or covers, American Music, Singles: Do you Really want to Hurt Me?, I held her in my Arms, Tonight, Used to Be, plus anything else i may be unaware exists, CD's only please. As trade, Alden offers a bootleg of this summer's Waukesha show, good quality. ------------------- Would like boots of the following shows: 9/95 Maritime Days 1/96 Winterfest, Icehouse (first show) 7/4/96 Summerfest, Marcus Amphitheatre 8/97 Waukesha County Fair Plus, I know there was a guy with a video camera at the Winterfest show. ----------------------- Wanted: a copy of Film Noir: I have a good quality '89 show at the Metro in Chicago to offer in trade...or if anyone else is interested, i could go for some more femmes material! ------------------ Does anyone have any boots from one of those shows that brian ritchie has taken part in ??? i don't think he played out to support his albums..? well anyway an outside of the femmes brian ritchie musical exhibition would be just peachy to feed my ears and i have some femmes stuff to trade for it. (i cannot communicate today ughh silly fingers) ------------------- I would love to buy a violent femmes poster, not the new crappy posters but an old one, It does not have to be super old but before New Times. I will also offer free copies of "The Mercy Seat" to all who ask. ------------------ I'm new to this list and I joined it after I saw the Femmes at the Lisle gig in IL. I'm wondering if anyone on the list was there and recorded the concert. If so, please contact me privately. I would like to arrange a sale. ------------------------ I would like to buy a copy of "The Blind Leading The Naked" either on tape or CD from someone who lives in England (because that is where I live, too). Sadly I have nothing to offer in return except cold, hard cash. Alternatively, does anyone know of a record shop which is likely to be able to get it for me. All the ones I have tried say that it is no longer available. -Pat. Says: The last submission is a correction from Monday's issue. I put in the wrong return address. All those who responded to the above post, please respond again to the corrected address. ------------------- I currently have 4 Femmes boots with more on the way. Here is the list of them: 8/1/83 New Orleans, LA 1/20/85 Berkeley, CA 9/27/91 Seattle, WA "Film Noir" I'm looking for pretty much any Femmes live stuff but especially the show from 9/16/97 at the Palace in Hollywood, CA, because I was there and it was by FAR the BEST show I have ever been fortunate enough to witness. ************************************************************************** ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS LETTER SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO ************************************************************************** WEB PAGES: Official: http://www.vfemmes.com Unofficial: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mmerry2/femmes.html Guitar: http://www.bucknell.edu/~wtorres/violent_femmes/ TAB DIGEST: The tab digest is give and take; remember to share what you have. ************************************************************************** In Today's Issue: Tulane Info Needed Champaign-Urbana Show RE: Musical Tastes..Top 5 Faves RE: Top 5 Faves VF and the Marching Band..Top 5 Faves Classify the VF A True Johnny Story Earplugs: Cool Agamemnon..Hey Nonny Nonny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tulane Info Needed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I need to know how to get tickets for the show at Tulane University.help me out pal. I'm a student here at Tulane and there is no way I'm going to miss that show. Thanks. Isaac - -Pat. Says: I've sent a question to Student Activities. Let's hope they answer by Friday's issue. As soon as I find anything, it'll be in this newsletter. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Champaign-Urbana Show ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Violent Femmes are coming to my college, U of Illinois. in Champaign-Urbana on November 13,1997. Anyone wanting tickets needs to contact me ASAP so I can get them close seats....this one will not be a gen.adm like most concerts. Thanks MBLack ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Musical Tastes..Top 5 Faves ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Musical Preferences. Bands- #1 - Violent Femmes The rest - Foo Fighters Nirvana Metallica Ramones The Germs Songs- #1 - Dream On - Aerosmith #2 - School - Nirvana #3 - Back in Black - AC/DC #4 - My Poor Brain - Foo Fighters #5 - Paranoid - Black Sabbath Concert Bands (from my experiences) #1 - Violent Femmes (6 concerts and #7 on NOV. 13) #2 - KISS (what a show) #3 - Foo Fighters (wail) #4 - Fragiline Porcelin Mice (opened for Femmes in Rolla, Mo. on St. Pats 96) #5 - Aerosmith (good show) The Violent Femmes are my favorite band because of many reasons. BUt the primary reason is their unique sound. Nothing comes close to bass of Ritchie (which I idolize), the voice and guitar of Gordon, and the rythem of Victor and Guy. A true acoustic 3 man band. MBlack ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Top 5 Faves ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry I'm a little late on this topic but I was on vacation last week: 5 great songs (no particular order): Jesus Walking on the Water - Femmes Cult of Personality - Living Color Marquee Moon - Television Solaris - Failure Electric Ocean - The Cult Gump says, "Ah only caut fi-ave." Old Shrimpin' boat cap'n replies, "Heh heh, A few moah an' you'll have yoself a coctail son, heh heh." The rest of my coctail... Opium - Holy Barbarians Forever Young - Rod Stewart Drive South - John Hiatt Drag Queens in Memphis - Sponge Black Hole Sun - Soundgarden Everybody Hurts - REM Strobe Light - B52's Walkin After Midnight - Patsy Cline An' that's awl ah hav ta say about that! :o) - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ VF and the Marching Band..Top 5 Faves ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hi. just noticed how there's a lot of people who were/are in groups where everyone liked the femmes. (i.e x-country) well, i was in band in high school, (yes, marching band.. i AM a band geek) and everyone HATED the femmes. a very sad thing indeed, but oh well.. oh.. here's my five favorite songs (i think) (not in any order) femmes- please do not go smashing pumpkins - disarm rage against the machine - killing in the name of new order - blue monday pizzicato 5 - twiggy, twiggy well, i think that's them... i can never tell.. but there's at least one more song that gets really close to being on that list, and that's : link 80 - verbal kint oh well.. just my babble :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Classify the VF ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ here's my post (hehe this is fun) Someone said somthing about classifying the Violent Femmes into a music type. Then they said we should bash "90s trash" and "alternative" music. I'd like to know what everyone would classify them as. I personally can't classify them anywhere-but if I had to classify them-the only alternative is, well, "alternative" As much as I hate "alternative" music that category is the only alternative. Get what I'm saying here? Alternative music is called that for a reason...most of it is crap that should be called "punk", "pop" or "crap". Isn't that right? Well, I don't know if anyone agrees with me. All I know is that I love the Violent Femmes. (matt) P.S. This is just my opinion here-not trying to start any fights. -Pat. Says: Whenever anyone asks me, I invariably call the music of the VF "folk-punk". It serves to confuse the questioner even more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A True Johnny Story ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi, This is just a weird kind of coincedence. The quote of the day from October 28, 1997 reminded me of it. In the live version of "Johnny" on the Add It Up CD, my friend Aaron Robinson is one of the people speaking in the background. He died in '95 in a car crash. Just thought that I would share with you all the true meaning of those lyrics to me. Thanks for listening. j.j. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Earplugs: Cool ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 10/27/97 12:24:55 PM, you wrote: <> Not uncool at all!! Wearing earplugs is very important, unless you want to be a typical deaf old person. As a musician I constantly wear earplugs, not just when I play but at concerts too. I actually had a femmes concert literally hurt my ears, I felt pain. It is especially important in smaller venues, because the volume is never lower. - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Agamemnon..Hey Nonny Nonny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As a senior in high school, i am (supposed to be) reading many greek tragedies and Shakespeare plays. So far i have noticed 2 allusions in femmes songs to these readings. One is Agamemnon, which since i didn't read the play i'm not too sure if the 2 actually have anything in common, but last night as i was trying desperately to get through the 4th act of Hamlet i noticed a line in which Ophelia is singing "Hey nonny nonny, hey nonny nonny." Ophelia drowned herself later in the scene and the femmes song it says something similar to "Beauty sat bathing by the sea..." I was wondering if anyone knows if these coincidences have any validity or if my confused state of mind made me subconciously wish for the femmes while i was reading. Thats it. If you know anything please respond. Liz -Pat. Says: Hey Nonny Nonny is adapted from the 16th Cent. poem "Colin" by the Shepard Tonie, according to the liner notes from WDBS. I think hey nonny nonny was a common refrain in songs and poems of the time, sort of like rama lama ding dong and the like from the 50's. As far as Agamemnon, I would guess Homer as the obvious source. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~