10-13-97

AMERICAN MUSIC: THE VIOLENT FEMMES MAILING LIST currently run by Pat. Wary ************************************************************************** TOUR DATES: (NEW DATES MARKED WITH A **) October 15-MontClair State University, Montclair, NJ (O) October 29-The Forum, London, ENGLAND (O) October 31-Sports Hall at Coimbra University, Coimbra, PORTUGAL (O) November 8-House of Blues, Lake Buena Vista, FL (T,O) **November 9-The Chile Pepper, Ft. Lauderdale, FL (O)** ------OR------ ** Jannus Landing, St. Petersburg, FL (T)** SEE FIRST TOPIC November 10-Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL (P) November 11-Tulane University, New Orleans, LA (O) NOTA BENE: 'O' stands for the Official homepage 'P' stands for Pollstar 'T' stands for Ticketmaster 'I' stands for Insider Info All other references are subscribers Also: Brian Ritchie will be playing shakuhachi: solo, with others, and led by James Nyorako Schlefer, on October 18 and 19 from 1-3 p.m. at the New York Botanical Gardens in the Bronx. Tickets are $3.00. Be aware that this is NOT the Femmes. ************************************************************************** The Quote Of The Day: There's nothing worth living for tonight Tell me that there's something worth living for tonight Don't let me down Don't let me drown The pain is somewhere very close to me -From Nothing Worth Living For -Submitted by , who I'll bet thought I'd never get this quote in. send your VF quotes to ************************************************************************** WHO/WHERE Going to a VF concert? Want to know if anyone else on the list also going? Check here first! Montclair, NJ ---------------------- ************************************************************************** ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS LETTER SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO ************************************************************************** WEB PAGES: Official: http://www.vfemmes.com Unofficial: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mmerry2/femmes.html Guitar: http://www.bucknell.edu/~wtorres/violent_femmes/ TAB DIGEST: The tab digest is give and take; remember to share what you have. ************************************************************************** In Today's Issue: Date Conflict Forum Gig Info The Lisle Show The ESU Show RE: Songs Left Unsung RE: Call For Topics RE: Call For Topics RE: Videos RE: Musical Tastes..Fans RE: Third Eye Blind RE: Hard to Find ROCK RE: Hard to Find ROCK Tribute Album Classify the VF? Spell it Right ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date Conflict ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As you can see in the concert section, there is a conflict of dates. Two shows are listed on the same date by two different sources. I wonder if one or two of you kind souls in FL would check this out for me. I have the address and phone# of the Chili Pepper: 200 West Broward Blvd Ft. Lauderdale (954)525-0094 and Jannus Landing: 16 Second St. North St. Petersburg (813)896-1244 I am thinking that maybe they are playing both places, but on different dates, and someone made a typo. That of course would be the nicest explanation for all you eagerly impatient Florida subscribers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Forum Gig Info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Right, here's the latest on the London gig. The Forum is indeed what was the T&C; the 'phone number is 0171 2841001. Tickets are 13 UKP in advance. Cheers, Xav -- http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~xav "If you turn your back on people, you won't see when they do the same to you" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Lisle Show ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I thought there would be someone writing about Lisle, i guess not. I though it was a really good show. there was moshing, but not a lot, and not TOO violent. I can't remember what all they played. I do remember that the intro to Dance Mother Fucker Brian told a story about the Bears and the Packers, (Illinois and Wisconsin) it was really cool. Their last song they played was Add it Up ---what a suprise. It was really good I thought. I know more of you were there-you should write about it -l8r- --Gamera-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The ESU Show ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, let me say that the ESU show this past Friday may have been the best show I've ever seen. I know, I know; I always say that, but this time I really mean it. The Lisle show must have been truly good, because the guys were all in a terrific mood, especially Guy, who played with true abandon and joy. The show started with the band walking down one of the aisles, all wearing goofy costumes and playing small instruments. I haven't seen them do that since The Kirby Center in Wilkes Barre in 1993. There were some problems with Gordon's guitar and Brian's bass, but it didn't seem to faze them in the least. They played some songs I haven't heard them do in a while, some I've never heard, and of course the standards. The venue was small; only 900 tickets were available, and there were seats, but none of them were in use. The house was standing and having a great time. The crowd was terrific; none of those problems we've heard about at other venues. One thing that happened there that I've never seen is that at the entrance, security made the guys and gals stand in two separate lines, and each and every male and female was frisked; men by male security and women by female security. It was very tight. But that separation thing did cause some confusion, because the female line was much longer, and the guys had to wait a long time for their friends. It was weird. Made me feel like I was at schul, which is where I suppose I should have been on a Friday evening, Yom Kippur to boot. OK, without further ado, here's the set list: Didgeriblues (I wish people would stop asking Brian if they could play his 'doo. It ain't gonna happen.) Out the Window I'm Nothing Waiting for the Bus Country Death Song BITS American Music 36-24-36 I Wanna See You Again (Finally! more ROCK songs!) Dahmer is Dead Breakin' Hearts (Glad to hear them play this more) Good Feeling Dance Motherfucker Dance Bad Color Me Once (Never heard them do this live before, 'cept on the Machine Single) Old Mother Reagan Rejoice (Yup, that's the new one. It's good. Classic.) Never Tell (I always love it when they do this one; it's one of my personal favorites) Black Girls (Yes, they always do it, but it is my absolute favorite, great time to jam, like a snowflake or a fingerprint never the same twice) Gone Daddy Gone Kiss Off Mirror Mirror Add it Up OK I guess the show was long, I never keep track of time because I get lost in it. It's all relative anyway. An hour seems like a minute. To those of you I met: it was great to meet you, sorry I seemed in a rush, but I was. To all I missed: maybe next time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Songs Left Unsung ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 10/8/97 1:27:14 PM, you wrote: <<"Tonight" (ROCK!!!!!) is not played in concert, >> I've seen them play tonight live several times. What do you mean they never play it? - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Call For Topics ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just a little response to Paul () I agree though i will be quitting aol and possibly online altogether so i won't complain that much. AM is ... well I'm tired. Oh and don't even think of calling phish the dude of life two different bands. If you want people to know just say Dude of life (1/2 Phish) Or something not Phish (dude of life) Whatever like it matters. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Call For Topics ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm with that paul guy, he's like..right this newsletter (no offense meant to anyone) is getting REALLY dull. novel thought START A FIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY COOL!!! then like every will write in, and all will be happy and jolly, and um..good. okay must go to work now. bye. -beky - -Pat. Says: Alright, I mean no offense either, but let me get this straight. Conversations about solo efforts, videos, how to get to shows, set lists, the influence of Gordon's Christianity in his lyrics, and the other various topics aren't good enough for you? You know, if I were to meet all of you at a party somewhere, those are exactly the things I'd like to talk about, and I'm sure many people must agree with me, as exhibited by the volume of mail I get every day. I find most of these topics very informative and interesting. I LIKE to hear what music others listen to, what a recent show was like, what you think and believe. I for one don't go to a party looking for a fight; I go for stimulating conversation. I go to meet new and interesting people I might not otherwise have had the chance to meet. I don't like confrontation and 'bad vibes', as my parents might have said. I think starting an argument just for the sake of having an argument is sort of pointless. Now if any of you want to do this, go right ahead; I won't stop you unless you resort to nasty personal attacks upon each other. I'm sure you all know by now that if you have a problem with a specific subscriber to email that person directly; don't broadcast your hatred to the entire group. Other than that I can't really control the content of this letter. I am in the end just another subscriber like you. I just wanted you to know that Mama Wary will observe it all with disapproving eyes and breathe a sigh of relief when the storm blows over. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Videos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ People were talking a few days ago about videos of the Femmes the ones which I know of that no one seemed to mention(please don't bitch at me if someone did) are Machine and Breaking Up the only one I've ever actually seen was Machine and that was on a public access show where the guy plays mostly eighties glam metal. -------Phil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Musical Tastes..Fans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I just thought that I would add my two cents. First of all, I'm 16 and live in southern Missouri. I bought my first VF cd because I needed to order another for a cd club and I had heard Blister in the sun and liked it. I own three VF cds and but I've never seen them in concert. I totally agree with that guy from St.Louis they should come to Missouri. But I understand why they don't, I live in a small town and was happy when I found one other VF fan. I feel kind of unworthy though because I've never heard the song B.I.T.S. my loss I suppose. I don't know much about music, but I know what I like. Alright, I understand that everyone has their own opinions about who's a "true fan" and who should and shouldn't be at concerts, but diversity is a part of life, if all the fans were exactly the same what would be the point? Although some fans are more devoted than others we all enjoy the same thing lets celebrate the similarity(and the differences). If this got on anybody's touchy side I apologize ahead of time. Annie Carter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Third Eye Blind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Then I was at a Third eye blind concert 2 days ago after the concert > was over a group of girls were standing around singing songs and we > were all singing along, then they starting singing BITS it kinda > shocked me but it was really cool to see how many people like them! > well just thought i would share! > Wow, I'm going to go see 3rd Eye Blind on November 9 or 10 or something. Maybe I could hook up with some Femmes fans. Maybe the band will be Femmes fans. Maybe they'll play Black Girls or something. God, that would be cool... Nick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Hard to Find ROCK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 10/6/97 12:59:08 PM, you wrote: << I had to order it as an import. You are very lucky to live near SF, the home of all those great CD stores. The rest of us outside of Australia had or are having a very hard time finding ROCK!!!!!, and at a decent price.>> Well I always knew it was an import, but I bought it at Tower Records in Boston along with the cd single for Tonight. They had plenty of copies, I guess it just had weird distribution. - -Pat. Says: All of you who have not yet bought ROCK! should go to the Official Homepage and order it there. It might take a bit of time, but it's cheap. And I suggest you write to Interscope Records and ask them what the fuck their problem is. Well, be nice. Send the petition Cheryl made up; it's in the last two issues. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Hard to Find ROCK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Just to add to the stories of the plight of VF fans trying to find >ROCK! I found it in Dublin, Ireland by accident at a Tower Records. As >far as the US goes, I look at most every record store I go to, and never >have seen any sign of it or Debacle. Well, i know you can get broth ROCK and DEBACLE from CDNOW.COM but they're really expensive. You can get ROCK! from the vfemmes.com for $12 and I think I saw Debacle at the Exclusive Co. near Milwaukee for $12... I didn't buy it tho cuz I already have all the songs from their other CDs. > To go along with that fact, I've >never seen any press coverage of ROCK! i.e. Rolling Stone or Alternative >Press. If there ever was a review and I missed it, please let me know. Those big magazines usually review only major releases, and ROCK was a little-known Austrailian release, so I bet those magazines have never even heard of it. -James "soul train smashed the sacred cow, life is in the hear and now" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribute Album ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey, I found this on one of those news services. Here's the address in case you're interested : http://www.allstarmag.com/news/database/Archive/9710/10/ news-cont.shtml#story1 Violent Femmes' Gordon Gano Works On Tribute Record Mercury Records is putting together a tribute album to Gordon Gano and his work as lead singer of the Violent Femmes. Mary Lou Lord, Lou Reed, PJ Harvey, and John Cale are said to be on the album, according to one of these act's managers. However, the project is in its early stages and no one at Mercury could confirm or deny the reports. The album, which is being put together by Gano himself, is slated for release sometime in 1998. Imagine Lou Reed doing the Country Death Song!!!! Nick Also submitted by: -Pat. Says: And it's about time, too! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Classify the VF? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i think it's impossible to classify the femmes. lord knows i've tried. whenever mention them to my friends, the first thing they ask is, "what kind of music are they?" "uhhh... well, they're kinda rock... but then they have this country thing... but not, you know, COUNTRY country... and they might be alternative...." point being: they kick ass, so they don't need a grouping. also, in the spirit of drawing out the wallflowers: juliana sweety, SAY SOMETHING. :-) claire in sandy eggo "a little extra weight would never look no nicer on nobody else buy yoooouuu." ~"fat" - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Spell it Right ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 10/8/97 1:27:14 PM, you wrote: <> PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO SPELL GORDON!!!!!!!!! - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~