09-12-97

AMERICAN MUSIC: THE VIOLENT FEMMES MAILING LIST currently run by Pat. Wary ************************************************************************** TOUR DATES: (NEW DATES MARKED WITH A **) September 12-Greening of Mackay, Concordia University,Montreal, QUE (P,O) September 13-Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountainview, CA (O,P) September 14-Doheny State Beach, Dana Point, CA (O,P) September 16-The Palace, Hollywood, CA (T,P,O) September 17-The Palace, Hollywood, CA (P,O) September 18-Canes, San Diego, CA (T,O,P) September 19-The Glass House, Pomona, CA (T,O,P) September 21-The Catalyst, Santa Cruz, CA (O,P) September 22-Luther Burbank Center, Santa Rosa, CA (O,P) September 23-The Fillmore, San Francisco, CA (O,P) September 24-The Fillmore, San Francisco, CA (O) TENTATIVE September 26-Carolina Music Fest, The World Mardi Gras, Charlotte, NC (O,P) for more info call 704-333-2263 September 27-Smokey Mountain Jamboree,Knoxville,TN (P) October 9-Benedictine University, Lisle, IL (O) October 10-East Stroudsburg University, Abeloff Convocation Center, East Stroudsburg, PA (O,P) October 15-MontClair State University, Montclair, NJ (O) **October 29-The Forum, London, ENGLAND (O)** HERE YOU GO, ALL YOU UK PEOPLE! NOW'S YOUR CHANCE!! October 31-Sports Hall at Coimbra University, Coimbra, PORTUGAL (O) NOTA BENE: 'O' stands for the Official homepage 'P' stands for Pollstar 'T' stands for Ticketmaster 'I' stands for Insider Info All other references are subscribers ************************************************************************** The Quote Of The Day: Tell you man I'm stuck on this lovely girl Of course to me you know she mean all the world But then she like another guy I fall down dead she never see the tears I cry Please please please do not go -From Please Do Not Go -Submitted by send your quotes to ************************************************************************** WHO/WHERE Going to a VF concert? Want to know if anyone else on the list also going? Check here first! Montreal, Que, Canada --------------------- Mountainview, CA --------------------- Dana Point --------------------- Los Angeles --------------------- Pomona, CA --------------------- Santa Cruz, CA --------------------- San Francisco (Sept. 23) --------------------- Charlotte, NC --------------------- Knoxville, TN --------------------- East Stroudsburg, PA --------------------- ************************************************************************** ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS LETTER SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO ************************************************************************** WEB PAGES: Official: http://www.vfemmes.com Unofficial: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mmerry2/femmes.html Guitar: http://www.bucknell.edu/~wtorres/violent_femmes/ Mat would like to start up a digest for people interested in trading info on tabs and chords. All interested parties should contact Mat at: ************************************************************************** In Today's Issue: About Lisle and Montclair Info Needed:Montclair Show San Diego Sold Out Share Comfort for Humdrum RE: Lots of Stuff RE: First Album RE: First Album RE: Name RE: Name n Stuff All About Me All About Me All About Me Country Death Song, Black Girls Question Gordon's Christianity ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. About the Lisle, IL show: I received this info from the Office of Student Activities at Benedictine University in Lisle, IL <> If you need more info on this show, call (630)829-6160 If you can't get to the college to get tickets, you might want to contact them to see if you can send them a post office money order or cashier's check so that they may send you the tickets. I've done that before, at other colleges. The only scary thing was I got the tickets in the mail THE DAY OF THE CONCERT. I was shittin bricks. Oyes, here's the email address of the person who gave me this info, in case you have any more questions: 2. About the Montclair, NJ show: I received this info from the webmaster. I have no email contact, and this page was not very informative. <> If there is anyone here for which these numbers are not long distance, please call so that we may all find out more about this show. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Does anyone have anymore information on the Femmes playinhg in montclair, nj. i really want to go. i was going to go to the show in east stroudsburg too, but my parents wont let me go that night :( . if anyone has any information...especially if there is an age limit please let me know. Thanks lots. -kara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok, I just called Canes in San Diego, and they are officially SOLD OUT of VF tix, even though their info line lied and said they had a few left. HOWEVER, tix will be sold at the door starting at 7 pm. I only wish I could skip school that day and camp outside Canes. If ANYONE knows where I can get panhandled VF tickets, PLEASE PLEASE email me by Monday. I love you all, but I'm afraid that there might be a few loonies on here, hence, i refrain from giving out my pager number. I am willing to pay a hell of a lot (okay, probably not over 35) for these tickets... I've never seen a VF show and I am too impatient to wait for the world tour in a couple years. Again, PLEASE email me @ before Monday, September 15 if you know where I can get tickets without cutting school. I love you all! -Claire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Now, why do the Femmes >have like 20 tours in California and not a single date booked in >Cincinnati, a city that plays Femmes songs all the times, and has a >devoted fan base. It makes me sad. well, the femmes fans out here are glad that they >finally< are coming to california. they always seem to be in the midwest and east coast area, and those of us way over here are very pleased. learn to share. thanks. -kat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ < ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ok since everyone has choose to comment on my theory of anyone being a fan here i go... first to the person who want to guess what cd does this guy own.. im a girl and 2 points for you "add it up" but to comment on another BITS is not the only song i like its alright but acutally i enjoy the whole cd now with stacys comment on going to concerts i never said that there is no such thing as a more dedicated fan of course there is for the guy who didnt know who gordan was hes wrong cause he said its his favorite band then hes an idiot if they are and he didnt recognize him but simply cause a person goes to a concert and dosent know what they look like doesnt mean they dont belong there! all i was trying to say is that just cause you havent been a fan for years doesnt mean you dont have a right to enjoy their music and should not be ridiculed for listening to the fems music you should want to share! i agree with rebecca she is a fan whether shes 14 or not! well thats all on that! for the name thing the vote is over for the people not from america i understand your objection but everyone else forget about it! Jill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << which femmes album does this guy have? I say either the first one or "Add it up" If it's anything else I'll be surprised, anyone else have an opinion? >> I agree that it's a good chance he has one of the more well known albums, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. I got my first Femmes album in late '95 (I'm 15), and it was "Why Do Birds Sing?" It was the album that got me hooked, and I still love that (mostly) all-acoustic sound. ----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >now I agree that it is great for anyone to start listening to the femmes >at anytime, but I think here is a great oppertunity for a vote. > >which femmes album does this guy have? I say either the first one or >"Add it up" If it's anything else I'll be surprised, anyone else have >an opinion? > >- Oh Mikey, you always have to be so postive, eh :) I think you're right though. But remember, the first Femmes CD you got was the first one. And Anyone who started listenting in 83 probally started with the first one. See I got lucky, Adam (or Adem :) gave me a copy of "VF" AND "HG" he cut off of his best drummer friend :) But I'm just playing devils advocate. The Femmes (not sure if anyone remembers this) got a huge pick me up in 93 when "Add it UP" came out because they released the new version of "I held HEr in my Arms". Then in D.C., WHFS rembered that, "HEY! These guys played a hell of a concert for us!", so "American Music" got revived, and all of the sudden, "Add it UP", "Kiss off" and "BITS" start receving more airplay. Then right before the relase of "New Times" it all died down. I do remember hearing "Breaking Up" on the radio. Oh well, I've talked to much. Just to let anyone know, if you ever want to see a Femme show here in the BaltimoreD.C. area, come with OlleaBlue (Mike) and myself. I know Dale (The main roadiehorn of DelimaBassist for live "Gone Daddy.....") Kamenski, and Mike and I hung with Brian. We gave him cigars. Take care. -p- Egocentric Productions ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beky here again, just wanted to clear a few things up. Number one, I like the name of the newsletter, I liked the old name of the newsletter, what I don't like is how all these people find it necessary to argue time and time again about the name change. Whoever said this before I'm totally with you "it doesn't matter what the newsletter is called, you don't read the newsletter for what it is called". Number two, the word "like" what can I say I LIKE the word, it just works. I can use it a whole lot more than i did in my last entry there's a guy in this mailing list who can back me up on this, his name is rob. umm, yea that about sums it up for this one. 'til then, -beky ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two things to begin: A name is a name is a name (it's the content that matters) and age is only in one's mind. With that out of the way, I'd like to respond to a few posts from Sept 10. I, like Laurel, have been listening to the Femmes for over a decade. I found my sister's copy of Violent Femmes and stole it from her. Even to an eight year old the Femmes kicked some booty! Now I own all their LP's except for Hallowed Ground, and FINALLY got to go to a concert of theirs. Victor was there, which surprised me. But then I found out that his son was the lead guitarist and vocalist of the opening band, The Moon Crickets. Kid Lorenzo was maybe fifteen. And as for the whole 'cover a song' vote: Something by TMBG, I Palindrome I or See the Constellation maybe. And, hey, why can't I get just one kiss? C'mon! Agamemnon (eric trybek, uw-madison, wi) "There's room for just one more, choose who dies." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DANCE THIS MESS OUT!!!! hey fools. my age is 19 and i have been rockin out to the femmes for approx. 5 years now. i have successfully met Gordan and had a conversation with him..it's not that hard when they play a county fair. i also hugged him. jealous, little girls? i enjoy many things. i own everysingleviolentfemmmes album which is still commercially in production. i too am in search for the singles which are listed on the official homepage. goodbye. emily ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would like to introduce myself since this seems like such a friendly place. I am Marjorie, nearly 16. I have 2 Femmes albums and if I ever get around to getting a job I will buy the rest. I haven't seen them in concert yet (my parents wouldnt let me go to the DC New Years show last year) but I will if they ever come near here again, which does not appear to be happening anytime soon. When I graduate high school I want to folow the tour and see every single concet for a year and then go on to Harvard or Yale or Essex Community College, wherever I wind up. Just wanted to say hi. Oh- for the record- I like Nirvana, Reel Big Fish, Less Than Jake, Goldfinger, Tom Petty, Aerosmith, and some other random trendy stuff. Marjorie :-P ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happy Belated Birthday Pat. I had a little chuckle when I read about the butter-on-the-nose event, a tradition in my family too. I am part French Canadian and also grew up in Connecticut (Ledyard) so it must be attributed to that crowd-a strange thing, I say, that I have been sheltered from since moving to California 7 years ago :-) I have been receiving the newsletter for some time yet this is the first reply I have conjured up. I am 35 and have been listening to the femmes since the late 80"s. My boyfriend's band covered them & introduced me to the rest. I've been to several shows, including ones in Boston, Washington D.C., Vancouver, The Warfield and Shoreline in Northern CA, House of Blues in Hollywood and others I may be forgetting. I hope to be at the Palace, Hollywood and the Glass House, Pomona shows-it's been way too long! One quick thing about the name change-although I didn't vote for that name, (because It's not one of my favorite femmes songs and I think it's way too pop sounding for them) they do produce American Music and this whole thing is about them, not about where their fans happen to be from. If I liked a French band, I would think it was cool to be a part of something called French Music, so I think it fitting for that reason, if none other. Anyway, that's my 5th sense for now. Cheryl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello, my dears! The posting about "nerd rock" reminded me of something my friend's sister pulled on her once. The older sister comes up to my friend and says "Guess what! There's going to be a concert with all our favorite bands, like TMBG and the Femmes! Do you know what it's called? Lottapoorlosers!" My friend was not amused. I was. I have to comment on all this "real fan" bullshit: I think all of you who talk about minimum numbers of albums a "real fan" must own, and having to go to all these concerts, are a bunch of snobs. Just because y'all have a head start does not make you inherently better fans (however one would measure the merit of a fan). The point about freaking out about Gordon, however, is taken. I think that it's understandable to faint or swoon or something similar when seeing Gordon for the first time (it is, after all, GORDON), but I should hope that any mature person would be able to restrain themselves. Melaina, I haven't heard about any Cincy dates, but I know they went to Columbus a few months ago...sorry if you missed that one, all my Ohio friends went to see it and they loved it! I have just one more thing to say: "VIVA EL NERD ROCK!!" Claire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I just have two questions which i hope the good folk on this mailing list can help me out with, 1) Does anyone know where gordan got the inspiration or idea from to write the country death song. Its got some wicked lyrics and i'd like to know where it came from. 2) Anyone who has been to a show lately, are the femmes playing "black girls". Just curious because i like the song and i think it would go off live. Thanks for your time and i hope someone can help me out. Frank ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pat I have never heard any discoussion about Gordon Gano's Christianity. I have met Gordon in person twice and have spoke with him extensivly about the subject. When I ascked Gordon directly if he was a Christian he replied "I belive in the ressurection of Jesus Christ." I would be very interested in hearing some debate about this. Also I would like to know how many people have heard the Mercry Seat, Gordon Gano's solo Christian album. I hope I will see more about this in the news letter Travis -Pat. says: If this subject becomes a matter of discussion, I would like to set one ground rule: Among this group, there are Christians and non-Christians alike, so I don't want any flames erupting over anyone's choice of religion. Religion is an intensely personal thing, and it is a very rare occasion when one person successfully changes a person's mind about it, so please do not try here. Gordon himself does not condemn people for believing differently, and I will expect the same from all of you. To answer Travis' second question, It's funny, but just yesterday I was going through the vinyl bins at my favorite music store, and found a used copy of the Mercy Seat. I snagged it up immediately, and put a spin on it as soon as I got home. I think it is wonderful, and hope to have Gordon sign it at the ESU show. I'll also have Guy sign the BoDeans album I have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~