08-12-98

Best viewed with Courier size 10 maximized screen ************************************************************************ The Quote Of The Day: You look like you could be the mother of a boy A boy who bored me more than any other man in the land the way that he dogged me like I was totally a jerk I wanted to permanently pound his prick into the dirt -From Mother of a Girl -Submitted by mypen15 Send your VF quotes to amusic ************************************************************************ NEW TOUR DATES: **Sept. 20- Fresno County Fairgrounds, Fresno, CA (P)** ************************************************************************ WHO/WHERE Going to a VF concert? Want to know if anyone else on the list also going? Check here first! Myrtle Beach, SC ---------------- Greg.Ward DC/Columbia, MD ---------------- demigoddess (Suesyn) ************************************************************************ ALL CORRESPONDENCE CONCERNING THIS LETTER SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO AMUSIC ************************************************************************ WEB PAGES: Official: http://www.vfemmes.com Unofficial: http://vf.scopemag.com if this doesn't work, try: http://206.103.163.50 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/6918 VF Message Board: http://red.cscwc.pima.edu/~cstaley/femmes/board.html Past Tour Dates: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1725/femmes.html Guitar: http://www.angelfire.com/hi/VFemmes http://www.smug.adelaide.edu.au/~therapy/violent_femmes/ Une banane:Send in your top five faves each week to: melancon HERE I AM: Tell me where you live for the Here I Am list. ************************************************************************ In Today's Issue: Last Issue? News From Amber De Pere Info Nick's Page Update RE: Femmes Records..Hated Song RE: Hated Song RE: Hated Song RE: Hated Song RE: Interesting Stories RE: Interesting Stories RE: Interesting Stories ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Last Issue? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If anyone had trouble with the last issue (Aug 10), please email amusic and I will resend it in two parts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ News From Amber ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Via ddearry, Amber sends the following: 1)She can not access her email till next month. 2)One Burgettstown PA Newport TICKET FOR SALE. Paid $48, but best offer will be accepted. Anyone who's interested please email ddearry She'll give you Amber's phone #. Amber will tell you where you can pick it up. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ De Pere Info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No information is avaiable yet about the October 3 show outside Green Bay at St. Norbert's College. I called the box office there, and the girl didn't even know the show had yet been confirmed. She said they usually wait until school starts to release a schedule of shows, so info will probably be available by late August or early September. She said the shows are usually open to the public (yay), and it sounds like we won't have to deal with ticketbastard for this one (YAYAYAYAY) I'll keep checking on this one, and post info as soon as I get it. rob=) coons ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nick's Page Update ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nick, the keeper of past tour dates, is now including concert reviews in his webpage. With your permission, he will be taking these off future issues of AM. Should you desire to send in a complete set list in addition to your most erudite observations, maybe it would be better to send that to Nick. That'll make SOME people happy. Of course a short listing of new songs, or songs done differently is always welcome, as long as it is accompanied by a short description. Let's all try to stick to that rule. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Femmes Records..Hated Song ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm new to this list and I've only read a couple newsletters, so I haven't even figured out yet whether this is a small, close-knit list, a big massive group without any social structure, or what. But what the hell, I'm just gonna jump right in and respond to Tyler's letter about favorite albums... I have to say that the best album by far is Hallowed Ground. It's an incredible exploration of their musical potential and goes far beyond the promise of their first album. Songs like "I Hear the Rain" and "Black Girls" seem to be testing the boundaries of music, while "Country Death Song" and "Jesus Walking.." have incredible popular appear. And then "Never Tell" is just an all-around excellent song. God, I sound pretentious. Sorry about that. Actually, despite what Tyler said about Why Do Birds Sing? being one of their most popular, it's probably my least favorite. Not that I dislike it or anything...it's still a great cd...but when I start to listen to it, I generally put it away after one time. When I listen to other albums, I'll keep 'em in my cd player for days, until I finally put them away because I'm afraid I'm becoming mentally unbalanced. This topic is sort of related to the other one of "what is their worst song?"...I have to vote for Machine. (Their recent, post-Victor, stuff has definitely been the most experimental, so it has a lot of their best and their worst stuff.) But I do think that would be an interesting style for them to play around with more...Balkan Falcon absolutely rocks. (Which reminds me...will people who've listened to Freak Magnet tell me if there are more "Machine"-type songs on it? Or are they going in yet another direction? Sorry if this was discussed recently. Don't kill the new guy.) Nevin nsteinda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Hated Song ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd have to say that would be on the Blind Leading the Naked tape. The extra song by Victor. I don't even know the name of it. Well, actually I do, but I'm afraid to admit it. I bought the tape just to get that song, and I just don't like it. I own all of Victor's albums, and, well, they suck too. And maybe I don't like the song because I don't like the rest of his stuff either... Oh well, it might be cool if Brian sang it and they spiced it up more with the HoD, but they did not. So there, I admit it. I don't even count it as a VF song. That's my two cents. john iii chicago il DidacticCP ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Hated Song ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree. I dislike "Machine" very much. But I have not heard 3, Rock!!!, or Freak Magnet. Well thats about it Joel SirBoutros ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Hated Song ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ alright. so the song that ronnie and i (josh) hate is..."love and me make three". it is a cheesy samich of a song. and i feel sorry for brian ritchie and vic delorenzo because they wrote it. and we would hate "faith" if it weren't so funny. none others we can think of -ruok ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Interesting Stories ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This may not be all that extraordinary, in fact it may be all too common, but I think it was funny. The first VF show I saw was an hour's drive to Cleveland from Erie, PA. I drove myself and two friends to the show.The show was a blast. Afterwards is what turned into the funnest part. We had met a large group of people at the show that were from the same part of PA that we were. We all piled into our cars and drove to downtown Cleveland's hot spot known as The Flats. Its a strip of bars on the waterfront and it has almost a carnival atmosphere and tons of people. We all proceded to drink way too much and get very obnoxious. We hopped from bar to bar until after closing time. When the time came for us to drive home, we were plastered. Not wanting to drive on the freeway in this condition the three of us decided it would be better to find a hotel/motel to stay the night. Well, passenger number one passed out in the backseat before we even got the car started and my copilot did the same almost right after we pulled out of the parking lot. I spent about an hour driving from hotel to hotel looking for a room but they were all booked. I always pulled in under the little awning type thing at the front door and left the car running while I scoped out the prospects. My passengers looked like they were dead. The guy in the front seat looked like an expended crash test dummy the way he was leaning as far forward as he could against the seatbelt and dashboard. Now that I think about it those hotels probably had plenty of rooms but after seeing the carload out front and my sorry ass staggering through the front door at 3AM... Anyways, by then I decided to drive home. We stopped at a Burger King somewhere on I-90 and I got a cup of coffee. I never got a sip ofthe coffee because the guy in the front seat slumped over onto me and I spilled the coffee all over my lap and his head while still in the drivethru window. I was crying from laughing so hard at him, and the scalding hot coffee burning my legs. I was instantly sober and drove the rest of the way home after he fell asleep again, bitching about his coffee head. The next day we all agreed it was the best time we'd had in a long time, despite them missing the last two hours of our adventure. Remember, don't drive drunk. If you do, then do us a favor and don't wear your seatbelt. -Greg.Ward -Pat. Says: And make sure you do it on a deserted road. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Interesting Stories ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My story about how I elbowed (and broke) a crowd surfer's nose during a VF show last year is in the Letter's Page pretty close to the top on the VF webpage. I'll reprint it (edited, in some parts for Pat's kids) here with my own permission. ---------------- Here's a story of rage from a real femme. . . Oct 9, 1997. Benedictine University, Lisle IL. Lately, crowd surfers have been my biggest frustration during shows, especially the VF. This night was no exception. As a 6' 3", 175 lb man, I'm by no means large, but I am tall enough so that I get kicked in the face by a lot of crowd surfers. This night was no exception. I guess the only thing odd about this night was that my anger had actually formed itself into rage upon a human. And, I liked it. About 8 songs into the unusually long 1 hr and 50 min set, I received what must have been my 4th kick to the head by a crowd surfer. I swore then, to the girl next to me, as she was just as pissed off, that the next surfer who came by would get decked. She laughed, I think more out of the sight of me becoming violent than the threatening joke it was. However, not five minutes later, this bastard kicks me in the mouth where I had a bad cancer sore. That did it. You see, when I go to a VF concert, there's nothing that pisses me off more than these three types of people (and generally, they go hand-in-hand): 1) the people who came to see the opening band and could give a super flying hippo s*** about the VF 2) the people who think they're at a damn grateful dead (and I am damn grateful) concert 3) the people who think they're in a damn Ultimate Fighting Championship Anyway, this f*** kicks my face, so I pull him down by his ankle, and knock him in the face with my elbow. My elbow got all bloody. He quit doing it. We never got messed with again. I am in no way imploring violence, however, I think it is quite a victory for a whimp such as I. Since you can't talk sense into these idiots, I think you have to join them on their intellectual plateau. thanks again, john iii chicago, il ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear John iii ...... There's NO such way! Thanks for your interest. G. V.F. 12/5/97 --------------------------- Maybe the cooler thing about that story is that afterwords, I went back to that girl and her boyfriend's apartment for a party. At 4 am the following morning I wokeup on a couch at some house in another apartment complex with a seminaked girl next to me. I got directions and found myself at work 3 hours later, on time, but really disoriented. Regardless, the entire night was (sadly?) out of character, but nevertheless, it was a good time through and through. john iii DidacticCP ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RE: Interesting Stories ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, I never score at Violent Femmes shows I usually just get the crap kicked out of me. But I do have an interesting story about the UPJ show from a few months back. OK here we go: It was my second time seeing the Femmes, both times having been at UPJ. I made sure to get there early because the first time I had been way back on the floor and couldn't see anything. Not even the top of Guy's head. It seemed everyone at that show was 6' tall expect for me. So I made sure that I would be right up front for this show. My friends and I got there early bought our T-shirts and went down on the floor. I was right up front on the right side of the stage where Brian would be in about an hour and a half. Fast forward through the opening band because they sucked, but the guitar player did have nipple rings so that kind of made up for it. Anyway the Femmes come out, Brian and Gordon were smoking cigars of course, and the show begins. Next thing I know some drunk guy comes barreling through the crowd and manages to kick everyone to my right out of the way to make room for him and his girlfriend. Nothing like a foul frat boy with a tongue piercing and his equally foul girlfriend to brighten your concert going experience. Where there had been peace and serenity 5 seconds earlier there was now mayhem. Caused by this one guy who was trying to crush my windpipe with his elbow and succeeding. Well, after losing and reclaiming my spot several times I started bitching at the security guard who claimed that there was nothing he could do because there were 300 people moshing behind this drunken idiot. Funny thing was there were No Moshing signs everywhere so I guess someone wasn't doing there job. Anyway four songs into the set and this guy and I are basically going to war, when over the P.A. I here a voice boom: "Hey You!!!" I looked up and Brian Ritchie was pointing at the drunk guy who had just given me quite a nice shot to the ribs. "Yeah, you. Do you go to this school?" Drunk guy replies with a "WOOOOOOO" "Well that just proves that any idiot can get into this school" And for some reason the entire student body at UPJ decides to applaud this remark. I guess they agree. Brian goes on to give this big speech about how some people think it's cool to be drunk in public but after some many years they are just a big waste of flesh and still drunk. "If he causes anymore problems get him out of here." At this point I was blowing Brian kisses and screaming "I Love this man!" because it's the first time anyone has actually stood up for me when it comes to drunken assholes. I guess most people figure that since I'm 5'3" and weigh about 119 - 123 I'm some kind of power house. Can't you tell. So anyway to make this long story short the guy AND his girlfriend get thrown out and I was able to enjoy the rest of the show. Here's the cool part I got to meet and thank Brian after the show. ME: "I just wanted to thank you for getting that drunk asshole off me." BRAIN: "No problem I don't approve of that kind of behavior." Cool!! I got him to sign my T-shirt than took off because at this point I was pretty dehydrated and needed liquid. Not to mention pretty bruised up. I didn't feel like waiting for Gordon to show up and Guy popped in and out, but I already told you what happened there. So that was the story I was going to tell people when I met them. I still am because there are some other details I left out to make the story shorter. Kathryn Kittricken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~